yesterday, a customer of mine who is a jw, gave me the latest mags.
we then brought up the issue with the pedophile priest.
and so we talked about it for a while, and she babbled about how the society would have turned them in and yadda, yadda.
oh man I would have been soooo tempted too but probably would have done the same and bit my tongue - ouch
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
i was curious if anyone on this website is going to the jw memorial tonight?.
is anyone partaking?.
personal webpage-.
<<<how do they know who partakes>>> the ones who "think" they are anointed partake. One year my ex started having thoughts that he was one of the anointed. This while he was abusing me and the girls. Not too sure how he figured that he was one of them but he had it down to the wire about partaking that year.
Funny thing is that if he had no one would have batted an eye. They all would have agreed that of anyone in the congregation he had enough zeal for it to be true. Makes ya kinda wonder what they would think now if he had partaken that year. He now has 2 divorces behind him and is no longer an elder.
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
if anyone out there has a copy of the 1968 version of the "truth book", could they please scan and post/email pages 88-89?.
note, this must be the 1968 edition.
i am investigating the changes between the 1968 version and the 1981 version.
I have that 1968 version = 2 copies actually - and your quote is exact. I will scan it and email to you.
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
when i studied jw stuff at first i coundn't get enought of it.. then i got overloaded with the same old crap lost interest then got bored then started liking fluff.. then .
two years ago when i started to really question everything about the wts i read everything i could find, did research, read ray's book, studied the chonological data on 607 etc, etc, etc.
now i have lost interest in trying to prove them wrong.when i see a long winded post about the organization and what we can do to damage them ijust can't read it.
In my 17 years since leaving I have gone through several cycles of research, study, sharing, avoiding, living life and back again. It seems that I need it for a while and then can let it go again. Most recently I had some issues raise their ugly heads again from my work situation. It triggered my need to connect with the old mind control issues and clear my head again.
I am finding that it helps to remember and readjust my thinking back to clarity to touch base and then move on.
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
here i thought i was going to get through the memorial season in peace this year.. how wrong i was!.
was this supposed to be a memorial invitation?.
yesterday i got an unexpected phone call from my mom.. i said hi and asked her how she was.. she said not very good.. i told her i was sorry to hear that and that i was concerned about her health problems and asked if she had had any tests done or gotten results.. she said no thats not why she wasnt doing well.. i could tell from the tone of her voice that this wasnt going to be pretty.. she told me that the reason she wasnt doing well is because the memorial was coming up,.
Ranchette - I'm sorry for what you are going through. It is so difficult to deal with them when they get out of control like that. I too have had to stop contact with my mother for the same reasons. Even being DFed didn't stop her abusive tyraids. Finally one day while she was in another of her "Why can't you come back" speeches I told her that I knew she was in a cult and had proof.
And presto that was it. She has not spoken to me since. She has even moved and not let me know where she is. I was a little insulted by that one but it has been a blessing.
I lost my mother many many years ago. What I had instead was a woman who controlled and manipulated me for her benefit. Life is much better without that.
Farkel - you took the words off my fingers (((Farkel))) to you too
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Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
i'll show ya mine if ya show me yours.. oh, stop it.
i mean pictures.
too many of us here hide behind a fake picture.
<--- me - Aug 4 2001
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
in the past weeks, i have been throwing away my 32 year library of books.
the feeling of freeing myself from the weight of the lies contained within the pages was my objective.
i have always been afraid of letting them go just in case it was the "truth.
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We are looking for a decent copy of the Watchtower Brochure:
"Does God Really Care About Us?" - copyright 1992>>>
Tallyman I have a copy of this - I can scan it for you if you like and send it to you? let me know
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
i took this test some months ago and got a score of 37. i retook it today and only got a 22!
i didn't think i changed much, but i guess i did.
here's the test link:.
40 - 49
Active Spiritual Seeker – Spiritual but turned off by organized religion - this is so like me - this one might be pretty good even if I don't have any faith in them
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
when young children are manipulated and controlled by induced fear programming, this causes enormous suffering for many resulting as we know in emotional development trauma and a great unbalance within, where everything feels like its disjointed.. many of you were in this stage once, many of you are still going through painful recovery stages.
from wherever you are right now, what positive mind tools and communication do you use with yourself to help generate and keep going the positive, healing processes?.
how many of you have discovered your scripts in life, those things that hold you back, from accomplishing fully who you yourself know yourself to be?.
I strongly believe that information is power. I have read and recommend the following books.
ABUSED MEN
*Abused Boys: The Neglected Victims of Sexual Abuse by Mic Hunter
*Against The Wall by Hardy and Hough
*Broken Boys/Mending Men by Stephen D. Grubman-Black
*Male Survivors: by Timothy Sanders
*Victims No Longer by Mike Lew
CHILDHOOD ABUSE SURVIVORS
*Adult Children Of Abusive Parents by Steven Farmer
*Aftermath: Survive And Overcome Trauma By Mariann Hybels-Steer
*Divorcing A Parent By Beverly Engel
*My Parent's Keeper By Eva Marian Brown
*Older Women In Recovery By Helen Larimore
*Outgrowing The Pain Eliana Gil
*Strong At The Broken Places Linda T. Sanford
*Toxic Parents By Susan Forward
SPIRITUAL ABUSE
*Churches That Abuse By Enroth
*Combatting Cult Mind Control By Steven Hassan
*Releasing The Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves
by Steven Hassan
*Healing Spiritual Abuse By Ken Blue
*Recovering From Churches That Abuse Ronald Enroth
*Safe Passage To Healing: A Guide To Survivors Of Ritual Abuse By Chrystine Oksana
*Subtle Power Of Spiritual Abuse By Johnson and Vanvonderen
*Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz
*In Search of Christian Freedom by Raymond Franz
*Apocalypse Delayed by M. James Penton
LONG-TERM EFFECTS
*Anger: The Misunderstood Emotion By Carol Tavris
*Anxiety, Phobias, and Panic: A Step-By-Step Program Reneau Z. Peurifoy
*Dance Of Anger By Harriet Goldhor Lerner
*Emotional Intelligence By Daniel Goldman
SPOUSAL ABUSE
*Abused No More: Recovery For Women From Abusive Or Co-Dependent Relationships By Ackerman and Pickering
*Battered Into Submission By Alsdurf and Alsdurf
*Emotional Blackmail By Susan Forward
*Emotionally Abused Woman By Beverly Engel
*Obsessive Love By Susan Forward
*Verbally Abusive Relationship By Patricia Evans
*You Can Be Free By Nicarthy and Davidson
PARTNERS and RELATIONSHIPS
*Adult Children As Husbands, Wives, And Lovers: By Steven Farmer
*Allies In Healing By Laura Davis
*Families In Recovery By Beverly Engel
*Ghosts In The Bedroom By Ken Graber
*Men, Women And Relationships By John Gray
*Outgrowing The Pain Together Eliana Gil
*Partners In Recovery By Beverly Engel
CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE SURVIVORS/INCEST
*Courage To Heal By Bass and Davis
*Emotional Incest Syndrome By Patricia Love
*Secret Survivors By Sue E. Blume
*Silently Seduced: Understanding Covert Incest By Kenneth M. Adams
MISCELLANEOUS
*Sex In The Forbidden Zone: When Men In Power - Therapists, Doctors, Clergy, Teachers, And Others - Betray Women's Trust By Peter Rutter
*Self-Respect and Sexual Assault By Jeannette Mauro-Cochrane
*Women's Intuition By Elizabeth Davis
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Victor - your list is impressive
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Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
under what (if any) circumstances would a jw go to a church?
is it the building itself or is it church services they have an aversion to?
can they go under circumstances that are not neccessarily considered "worship"?
my ex (still a JW) got permission to walk both his daughters down the aisle -- in 2 Catholic Churches. Siad it was "just making a delivery" not participating in a religious ceremony.
Go figure
Rejoice in the healing and not in the pain.
Rejoice in the challenge overcome and not in the past hurts.
Rejoice in the present - full of love and joy.
Rejoice in the future for it is filled with new horizons yet to be explored. - Lee Marsh 2002
